An exciting and pertinent text to be sure, but still, just a text- a starting point. And we're right back to the question of what does the text mean? If texts were self-explanatory, then we would have a single world wide church all pulling in the same direction. So we've got to work on the meanings - learn the context, understand how the hearers may have heard them, read what scholars have said over the ages, figure out their place in God's great narrative about how He's going to put the world to rights, and pray over them. The more of us who try to do this in the Spirit (collectively, I'm thinking, not just individually), the more we'll discover what "authentic" Christian life is about. -AnonymousScripture is more than just a "starting point"....however, if you want to talk biblical hermeneutics, pull up a chair. For any who may not know what hermeneutics is...it is the process one uses for interpreting the bible. How do we get from the "then and there" (the ancient context) to the "here and now" (modern day). It is the process that one uses to understand an ancient text and how to bring it's intended meaning to modern day. I think of biblical hermeneutics as being a bridge....and on this bridge are tools or methods that help us get from one side to the other.
In any case, I firmly believe that a text can never mean what it never meant and that too many readers of God's word jump far too quickly to application without proper study or even a hint at proper interpretation. Mr. Anonymous is right to ask, "what does the text mean"....we must seek to understand the author's intended meaning. When attempting this, it is so helpful to understand the historical, cultural, and literary context.
Let me give you an example of understanding the literary context. When we pick up a newspaper, there are many different "genres" and with each genre we bring a different set of interpretive tools when reading. In other words, we don't read the obituaries like we read the comics...we read the classified ads differently than we do feature stories. In this example, we don't even think about our intrepretive skills, but nevertheless, they are at work. Similarly, with the bible, there are many different types of literature; for example: narratives, poetry, historical, apocalyptic, prophetic, etc. Now, just because we may not know what Hebrew parallelism is, does not mean that we will never understand the Psalms. But, when we understand that the Psalms are written upon the principles of Hebrew parallelism, it opens up a whole new world of meaning. What's Hebrew parallelism? In simplest terms, it is a style of poetry which is made up of two parallel lines. Sometimes the second line says the very same thing as the first line....but, uses different words. At other times, the second line is in direct contrast to the first. And still other times, the second line provides additional meaning to the first line. Take a quick look at the book of Psalms. Open up to any chapter and simply read one verse. I can almost guarantee that there will be two parallel lines. Just ask yourself, how does the second line interact with the first line? You will find this simple literary tool very helpful whenever you read the Psalms.
Now, if I may be so bold, while I am so grateful for Mr. Anonymous's encouragement toward bible study, I am afraid that Mr. A will never be fully confident to stake a claim of understanding the text....let alone derive certain principles and then seek to apply it to his life. But, I am probably wrong about that.
Obviously, there is so much more to biblical hermeneutics....for another day.
P.S. Please correct me if you are female...I will refer to you in future posts as Ms. Anonymous
Mr. Fox,
ReplyDeleteWe're you pulling from "Grasping God's Word" by Duvall and Hays for the "hermeneutics as a bridge" bit? If not you should check it out. They use the same metaphor.
That being said, I think that thorough hermeneutics should be dutifully practiced by anyone wishing to study the Bible if, for no other reason, because it gives proper respect to the Bible as the word of God. But I also believe that the end goal of proper hermeneutics is being able to apply the text to the reader, regardless of whether they are ancient, modern, or postmodern for that matter.
-Geoff Crowley
Oh, and by the way I am not the same anonymous person that you are addressing in this post. Though I should clear that up!
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Hi Jim,
ReplyDeleteI love your insights, thank you for sharing them. As I was reading this exchange these are the things I began to think about....so I just wanted to add my two cents haha...The Word of God is unique in many ways. The most exiting thing for me is that it is a living breathing document. It wasn't written to be understood by scholars rather for all to understand.The Spirit of God uses it speak to us individually as well as collectively. For example, the account in Luke 24 of Jesus' encounter with the men on the road to Emmaus. Having read that account many times it is very familiar but recently read it with new revelation. vs. 30 It was as He reclined at the table with them that He took the bread, and broke it, and gave it to them. THEN their eyes were opened, and they recognized Him, but he disappeared from their sight. The Spirit draws attention to the THEN...when we can truly see who He is (God's son, Messiah the Annointed one, the resurrected Savior...) and the supernatural occurs. God is revealing that we can KNOW Him through intimacy and experience the supernatural in our life. The men urged Him To stay, spent time with Him (intimacy of breaking bread) THEN their eyes were opened. If I want to know God then I need to spend time with Him, get into the Bread of Life, His Word then He will reveal Himself and His power. This is just an example of how God can draw our attention to a passage, a word, a truth, so often to speak to us where we are about what we need. The Spirit doesn't change the meaning but rather uses revelation through the Word for the believer to gain new insight into the knowledge of God. It's so exciting. I have a Bible without the commentary at the bottom because I don't want to miss what He is saying to me by focusing on someone else's interpretation. The Word is never boring when you interact with it in an intimate way.
Donna Leffew
Geoff, Absolutely!....the only reason we practice a thoughtful hermeneutic is to get to the other side-- application of God's word into our very lives. Beautiful! And, no, I am not familiar with your reference for the "bridge." I hope all is well!
ReplyDeleteDonna, perfectly stated. God's word is living an breathing and sharper than any two-egded sword....the spirit of God adds such a powerful advantage when studying God's word! Thank you for your insights.
God bless!
Jim
I enjoyed reading your post and the other comments very much. I had responded under the previous thread in hopes of not distracting your "followers" from your inspirational and devotional messages while my questions were of a more technical(boring to most)nature. I'm humbled and grateful for your engagement on this issue that's of interest to me. I'm thankful to Geoff for his comment about scholarly study being a respectful duty that the Scripture deserves - Amen! And I'm jealous of Donna; reading Scripture devotionally does not come naturally to me. My mind constantly turns to "Who's the audience? What was happening politically then? What was the discussion at the Nicene Council regarding this book?" I hope her comments are not meant to have an anti-intellectual tone. Francis Schaefer's essay Two Contents-Two Realities is highly recommended for insight into that problem in some strains of contemporary Christianity. Love Your God With All Your Mind is also a wise short book on that topic by Biola professor J.P. Moreland.
ReplyDeleteYour "bold" conclusion struck me as odd. Just because one asks questions, it surely doesn't follow that one must not have any answers. I note from your age that I have been a Christian longer than you have been alive. Let me give you an example of a textual understanding which led to a principle which begat a new way for me of living Christianly:
"Now, I know in part..." means that despite the Damascus road experience, the close walk with the Spirit, and a lifetime of Scripture study and prayer, Paul admits that he doesn't have everything figured out. The principle I adopted from this understanding is that my knowledge (and yours) will always be imperfect. In other words, your phrase "fully confident" might need an asterisk in some situations (epistemology - the study of knowing for those following along - makes for tedious reading. I have found Popper's "critical realism" a helpful way forward). I counseled a woman last year who was "fully confident" that she would be married to her husband for life - until he suddenly walked out on her and the kids after almost 20 years of marriage. I recently heard a famous Bible teacher say that he tells his students that 25% of his lecture is wrong, the problem being that he doesn't know which 25%. So how has this changed how I live my life? Instead of an inner individualized spirituality ("just me and Jesus"), I instead now eagerly seek out other Spirit-led Christians who also realize that they, too, only "know in part" and learn from them what parts they know that I don't and test the notions that I think the Spirit has been leading me towards by engaging in dialogue with them. How's that for a Pauline run-on sentence!
And now I thank you for participating so graciously in this endeavor and thank the Lord for a fellow-worker like you who plants signposts pointing the way to God's kingdom.
P.S. The length of the Letters to the Editor section directly correlates with the worth of the periodical. Congratulations!
No more "Mr. Anonymous"....you are a friend. As far as my "bold" conclusion--the one that I stated that I was probably wrong-- Actually, I was attempting to find out if you were a young postmodern thinker with no epistemological sense....always seeking but never knowing truth. Obviously and most fortunately, I was wrong. Please accept my apology.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, I am fascinated by J.P. Moreland's book (referenced above)...intimating that it was the church that moved away from the world just at the time when the church needed to stand up for truth....all via the anti-intellectual sense. What an historical blunder!
One more thing-- and I know the Lord will forgive me for proof-texting....but, I pray Jesus' words for us as in John 8:32.
God bless you!
This was all a very interesting exchange of the intellectual and experiential views of God's Word. But in the end it left me wondering, would Paul's conclusions have been any different had he access to Schaefer's essays or Moreland's writings?
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M.L.,
ReplyDeleteInteresting question, but is it not a mute point? The canon is closed. What we do know is that the human authors did not write in a historical vacuum, so there is no reason to believe that they would not be impacted possibly in some way by other's writings. However, with that said, scripture is not just a humanly authored collection of books, it is also divinely inspired: II Timothy 3:16, II Peter 1:21. But, I am certain that I am not telling you anything new. God bless!
Jim,
ReplyDeleteYou're right, my previous question was a mute point with respect to history. And, admittedly, I knew so when I wrote it. I think I was just implying that many times we, myself included, become too focused on one interpretational view at the expense of the other. It seems to me that we should always try to remember that both the intellectual and experiential interpretations of Scripture are valid equals. Each appears to validate or correct the other when needed. True, thru the ages, the Church has often erred in leaning too far towards one or the other. But ultimately the two have acted as a kind of beautifully built in insurance system that God has used thru the generations to ensure that His Word always remains correctly interpreted by His followers.
Despite my previous rhetorical question, I'm confident that Paul would have given any modern day scholar a run for his intellectual money and at the same time he most likely had more validating spiritual experiences than most of us, or at least I, can only dream of.
On a side note....you are looking more and more like your father. He's a man that I've admired and held as a role model for several years. I remember the Bible studies and how he was often both the voice of spiritual maturity and reason. I can hear the influence of his wisdom in the words you write.
M.L.
M.L.,
ReplyDeleteYour comment regarding the intellectual and experiential interpretation of scripture as "equals" confirm our kindred spirit.
By the way, any chance of meeting in person? The coffee is on me if you are able. Just give me a call at Salisbury Christian School at 410-546-0661.
God bless!
Jim